A Dream Come True (with Sunny Outlaw)

Long time friend and OG contributor to the show Sunny Outlaw joins us this week! This time, we get to celebrate him as he promotes his new comedy special, "A Dream Come True". Join the discussion on his post-covid journey, a lifelong dream, and how it feels to grow as an artist in the digital age.

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Sunny Outlaw
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Sunny, the guy up on the right part of the screen, you remember? Vaguely. So. Yeah, but we go way back. But but that's true about everybody that we have on the show. What do you remember about Sunny Grampa? I said vaguely. Yeah. Yeah. When I did the sunny days. I let him introduce himself. All right. I'll introduce him. I think he should know better person. You know. I won't put. Let's do it. Was. Was Sunny an actor? Are you an actor? Sunny? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I guess I go, Yeah, well call. It something like I vaguely remember something about acting. Fun fact, Grandpa Sunny is the very first guest we've ever had on the Grandpa himself show. Yeah, I don't even think that episode was ever released. It was like a pre pre pre recording on Zoom with Sue Me and Sunny. I don't remember about that. Yeah. Yeah, I was, I was, I was around for the early days of grandpa and yeah, I remember when it was. Getting old that's all we did. Yeah. It was just grandpa and. Yo I got bored with that. He's working laughing. Yo, I'm the king of comedy. You missed us Before we were recording Sunny, you asked what's up? And then Grandpa was like, looking at the sky for, like, a minute and you're down. You didn't even see him do it. It was genius. Thank you. I want. I do is want to video. I can't see your video saying, Oh, there we go. There we go. Speaking of Sunny, this is my old friend Sunny Atlaw. You're listening to another incredible episode of Grandpa on Show. I'm here with my co-host, Phines, as always, our amazing producer, Sierra and my grandfather. Isn't that weird? I do a podcast with him. I'm Brandon Fox. Here we are. And we invited Sunny back today because he did something really impressive that everybody says they're going to do and then doesn't. He did. An hour is over an hour. It was your own like feature length comedy and storytelling set on YouTube. Yeah, I released an independent special, as they call them, so to speak. And it's it's cool. You know what it feels like? It feels like in the nineties when people would drop a mixtape and, you know, like the cassettes and handing them out to people. It's not to that degree of like guerilla attitude, but the idea of like constantly telling people and like cutting up and editing shorts and stuff and putting it out there and promoting it is fun. It's cool. I feel like at least now, for so many years, people would always ask me about what stuff I have online, and I was always kind of a little shy about it. But now I have something I can actually point toward. I thought I was having a brain freeze because your image just stays the same like a picture. So it's not, you know, reflecting what you're saying. Yeah. You know, I don't believe in modern day video. I think they say one picture speaks a thousand words. And so I try to keep it a frozen image as much as possible just because I don't want to speak a million words. Because the video is just a million pictures. Yeah. And it makes sense. You got to use your words wisely and make people take it. Yeah, I feel that for logic. I really do. Yeah. You know what? So. So what is this called? What is your special called? It's called a dream come True. Because I had this video of myself of like years ago in 2013 of just like talking to my future self. And the biggest takeaway was like, the video is just like, Yo, I hope that wherever you are, you are following your dreams, which now I'm 29. I made that video when I was like 19. So like ten years later I'm watching that video and I'm like, Wow, I am out here actually trying to follow my dreams. It's not the glamorous route You think it would be ten years ago, but it's like, at least I guess that version would respect that. I'm actually out here doing it because out of all the decisions in life, the fact that I actually pursued that and I hadn't seen the video in over a I found it over the pandemic as I was cleaning out my laptop and I had a million ideas for what I wanted my first solo show title to be, but it just seemed natural for it to be a dream come true. Because I did the show as I hoped for in front of like a sold out crowd. So that was that was awesome. I did it in front of a sold out crowd. And even though that's like not even the final endgame and it's just like one step in the puzzle and one piece of the puzzle I just doing a show in front of a sold out crowd is technically a check mark of what I want to be doing. And that yeah, Is it as satisfying, sort of just doing it for the love of it and having this sort of like massive, like beautiful piece of content that is so difficult to do? Like, I feel like that would be even better and more satisfying than like, Oh, somebody handed me a big show or something like that in like a day. And I just, you know, I got lucky. Like, you ground out something really hard. So, yeah, I yeah, I you know, I think everybody kind of visualizes their first special, too. I mean, at least from my generation, our generation, millennials. I think a lot of us visualized like our first special being in front of like, you know, Madison Square Garden or some big venue produced by Netflix or Hulu or whatever. But in the world that I'm living now just seems more sense to just make it independent, especially because I just don't know how many people can actually help me make what I want to make because they don't utilize me the correct way. And so I am really happy to have released something that is so raw, so my style, so sincere and emotional, and so has like comedy involved. I was really happy to wait, like, you know, the response in the live show. And I did it twice. I got both recordings both times felt good, and I think a lot of great art that we even think about. You know, it's better down the road, down the line when people see it, because ideally you want to make stuff now that people are really making, a lot of which I feel my the way I made my special is so Mike Birbiglia ask in that storytelling kind of emotional sincerity level. But it's about a story that I feel like isn't talked about a lot in the first generation minority world. So I am really happy about putting it out the way I wanted to put it out and having the independent guerrilla style behind it. I just hope that it connects with people because it's it's just going to get, you know, more and more people to watch it and hopefully this is just the start of something new because now I have the experience of putting one show out. I have so much of a better idea of how to do it again. Yeah, yeah, I think it's one. So as Sonny was saying so much, I can say about many of the same, but the one that I want to talk about right now. Is. When you talk about just how wrong and real and. Also. Just seeing like your first show and I'm excited as someone is watching your grow up and to. See. Yeah, this just how much. You. Your philosophy grows. You as a person grow. I'm really. Interested in invested in. You as an artist. Resume with no pressure. Of course, you know, whatever you bring is great. But but I definitely as audience member, just enjoy how real you are is really nice. Phines. Phines is the only person in my life that has seen me for my very first open mic to my in my very first special release, like literally all the way, like the only person in my life that's like actually track the whole. Like killing it. Witness witness stuff. Like it's just like I'm lucky later on the. Philosophy part, but I really, really I can no doubt about Sunny's comedy because I've watched so much of it. I seen so much him perform. But I think my funniest my favorite thing about him is his philosophy and his mindset and his viewpoint perspective and watching it like him get better at telling it from his. Perspective and. Bring in like justification to it and understand like understanding as an audience member to understand like how his mind works. Because it is to me very, very wild and cool and abstract and, and different. And I am always really intrigued with how he, like, articulate it. I was really impressed. How did he do his first opening? Like, how do you do this for Mike? It was bad. It was okay. I mean, I guess my first remembering is confidence because like, that was probably one of my big ideas. That was really cool. I enjoy the artist by how much confidence he had to be out there and stand out there and want to say something. And I appreciate it because if you feel that confident about it, then. I want to listen a little bit. Yeah, we weren't even like best friends yet or anything. We just kind of like had known each other. We hung out a few times, but he was just kind of invited, like as a friend who I'm also inviting other friends. I know him and that was like, so, like, you don't know, he fight us now. I bet you he was like, sitting there going, Man, I could do better than that. Hey, like, like, are you ever you like sitting there going like, Oh, yeah, this is good. But, you know, a lot of love. I don't know that he's really confident. He's like, you like the confidence, but he could really work. That was like, intimidate me. Did you did you get Absolutely you bomb or do you remember your set? Yeah. Oh, Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think. You do get loud. For sure. What do I remember? What do you think of it? I mean, from my perspective. Yeah, I guess you. Have to have it. You know what? I have that. Recording deep in the morning because I know deep in the bed, it was like a fuck. You have the recording of. The foxtrot or something? Oh, no, no, no. That's a do. You're dating back. You're dating back to. But that's not the foxtrot. I know that was I had done it for about a year at that point. Oh yeah. Yeah. He's got some fringy. It's crazy to watch. Okay. Yeah. How many years have you been doing standup comedy? Consistently now? Consistently? Zero, but like, eight years, probably. Yeah. I'm not someone you bring in. You know me. I'm not like one of those guys that hits up a mic every single day or, like, has to hit up. Like, I just kind of trust my own rhythm and like, my own style. And I do need to go to more mikes. I just hit them up when I feel like them because mikes are like they're a little, like, negative and like soul sucking. Sometimes you got to like. Really. Are fucking soul sucking, bro. You got to limit how much you go in. It's like. If you can you can like keep your composure. Keep your head on straight. Just go in, do the business, get out, do as many as you want. But if you're someone that's emotional and like, really like, cares and like, you just got to pick and choose which ones you go to and understand expectations for each one. I want to loop Grampa and I want to ask Grandpa what you're thinking about right now. What am I what am I thinking about? What did you ask me? Yeah, What are you thinking about? Well, I've been trying to position my camera to get a better view of myself, and it gets uglier and uglier every time I move it around. I don't seem to be able to do anything. I was going to put an ad in for a short, fat, bald Jewish man. Seeks young, attractive woman for romance. No way. Has. Probably that is probably the camera. You. Yeah. We can help you put an ad. Yeah. No, I put it on the stand. I've never done that. Like, I thought that might improve something, but it hasn't. So what? Your question was, what am I doing? Right? Well, these are the hard hitting topics that I love. Your grandpa had no. Brain is just like your girlfriend. That's just like lying next to you. What do you what are you thinking about. For that is. How I would describe my relationship with my grandfather. Yeah. Have you ever. Done a comedy, Mike, or been to a comedy show? Grandpa, Who you talking to? Grandpa? Oh, to me. Have I ever done a comedy? Hey, Yeah. When I get undressed and look in the mirror. No, I don't know. Whatever. Have you ever seen a comedy show like I have? Yes. Yeah. What? What do you think about it? It depends on. It depends on on who who's doing it. I've seen great comedies. I've seen boring comedies, you know, depends on depends on the person that you thought about standup. Yeah, I've seen terrific people. There's a someone outside. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Let's hear about the French guy, then. I'll follow up after that. Well, I'm trying to remember his name. al-Masri, I take it, is. Probably. Milo is. Terrific that guy's great, you know, or I like his sense of humor. But anyhow, yeah, there's people that are terrific and some are not. It's don't really turn me on. You know. When you have gone to a live show that sucked, what was your least favorite part? Mm. Are you talking about in comedy. Instead of comedy. Oh yeah. Oh, to a live show. What was my least favorite part. Yeah. I'd have to think about that. I don't have an answer off the tip of my tongue. I don't know. I work in in a dinner theater for a couple of years, and. And I saw some, you know, really good shows. Some of them were not as good as others. Some are a little boring, but I'm trying to recall and I just can't remember right now. But maybe I'll think of it while. Dinner theater is hard because one of the food sucks. Yeah, that that would be a problem. Yeah. Or if people get, you know, indigestion from the food, you know. And you get climax or after the appetizer, you get the climax during dessert. The rising results. If I remember correctly, if I remember correctly, the, the, the play didn't actually begin until the dinner was sort of been served and finished. Oh. That is ridiculous. Are you serious? That is dinner and theater. That is not dinner theater. That is dinner and theater. What's the deal with The A.V. Club In life, you should also be able to sleep Well. If I'm going to have dinner and then watch something, I don't want to go home after that. I want to go to sleep. Well. What do you guys think? I know Sunny brings up a really good point. That was that boredom. I think the worst is just being bored, right? Like just sitting there. That's like, what do you eat with the world where you. Get, you know. The worst is when everybody knows the state standup comic is failing. That's the worse when the comedian knows they're failing or the audience knows they're failing. When the booker in the back you don't even know is there. And so you can feel them feeling that it's Bobby, you know what I mean? Like, that's like the worst. I disagree because there's like, this, like, not for the comic. It fucking sucks for the comic, but the audience. Will. Go, Oh, this is bad. There's something I want to make, man. It's like you guys remember. You remember Showtime at the Apollo? And that was really more about music, but they'd have a little clown come out when the guy was failing with a hook on a stick, and he pulled them off the stage. Or I guess in previous years, they'd throw eggs at the people. And to man, Well, you can't do any more. They're too expensive. You got to go the cartoon route and start throwing tomatoes, or as they do in the XFL. Throw some lemon. Oh, yeah. I bet people come to the show just the season one bar. I think people come to do that. I think, like maybe there's probably 15% in the audience of people that are just waiting for people to feel. Like you go, that's terrible. People there, they were terrible. I hate it. When I don't want I want I want it on. Film, like with my friend who's working on the show with me. And we just went and saw the comics. And she had never been to an open mic before and she. Was like, What the fuck is this? And I was like, dying laughing. But like quietly to me, you know, like it was very enjoyable for her to be like, Wow, oh my God. So I think I probably should already know the answer to this. Are you are you a director? Are you an actor? Are you a writer? A producer? What is your main field or, you know, are all of the above? Honestly? Yeah, all the above. Woman Every I'm an everyman jack of all trades kind of thing. I direct. I've directed video sketches. I'm directing a live sketch team. All right, Now I am a producer for multiple live shows that are doing well. I'm a writer in the sense that I write sketches and all my own stand up and work in stories and honestly. But at the heart of it all, I'm a performer. I do all those things. I can do all. Of those things, and I can accomplish those things because I want to make it in this field of entertainment one way or another where I can make an income. But at the heart of it all, at my my best, my, my, my heart of hearts, my fire, I am a performer. So basically, you're an actor. My character. An artist? Yeah. So are your are your are your shows on YouTube or how how does one access them. Yeah, it's on YouTube. And right now I have my dream come true special for you. Watch the whole thing on there. I also like I'm trying to create pretty much a funnel system where I have my full show and then I have shorter clips of that show like, you know, like five minute, 3 minutes, 7 minutes, whatever the theme of that is. And then I have even shorter 60 seconds or less clips. So there's a lot on YouTube. If you don't have that much of an attention span, you want to give me you want to get a sample, you want to watch the whole thing. I think it's really sincere and fun and I like the YouTube way of monetization. I know it's not like a lot, but to get paid in any way would be great. And I'm really excited that I just now have started to go down the YouTube rabbit hole and the way I want to go down is. Have you been able to get any kind of sponsors? I know on all of the YouTube clips that I watch, there's always like a five second advertisement, a 32nd advertisement on almost all of them now with, you know, major companies. Have you have you tried to get any of those types of of of sponsors where I'm assuming that they that they pay for the for the clip, they pay for the, you know, or whatever your production is. Yeah. So it takes some time like it takes you out to get a thousand subscribers and 4000 public watch hours from your videos in order to for them to even consider you. And so I'm just now kind of going through this rigorous process of gaining more subscribers and getting the views. And it's kind of a hustle. Like I think even I probably thought this at some point. I think a lot of people think that once you have your show out, you're done like, that's it. You've edited your show, it's on YouTube. People can view it. No more work. You're funny, though, but it's actually the real work begins after you've published it because if you're not constantly pushing that video out in front of more and more people, especially at my level, you're just not going to get the views and you got to be consistent. You got to keep telling people you got to go on the press tour like the podcast, and you got to keep editing and publishing videos. I published the hour long show two months ago, and I'm not even halfway through putting up all the smaller segments and clips because it's like I got so much other work that I'm doing that I got to find the time to do it. But it's about I mean, it's about a four month, three month process just getting all of the videos and clips and salvaging it for everything that it's worth, because I've gotten about 80 subscribers ever since I started to pound down on the on those YouTube shorts. So, yeah, I'm just I'm just trying to hustle my way all the way up to making that ad money. Do you edit your do you do the editing yourself? If there is any editing or you have somebody else do that. Yeah. So I had to I was lucky enough. I had a director friend who was from also Indiana who offered to film the special for me for free, and him and I sat down together and we edited it and we put that out online. And so now what I take is I just think the hour long footage and I dice it up for the shorter consumption. So all that editing now I all do by myself and I'm like a CEO of, of my own life. It feels like sometimes I get why I use the question why celebrities would waste their money on PR people and social media managers. But I get it now because it is a lot of work. It's it's it's not as glamorous as it sounds or feels. It is worth it. It's just work. And are you willing to put the work behind it, which in this case, I'll be absolutely willing to do it. I watch a lot of videos of regarding equipment for for music production, for video and primarily music. And all of them, you know, they're they're basically informational videos and all of them get advertising is, you know, relatively very successful companies, almost all of them. And maybe just people are looking to find out information, you know, whatever. Yeah. And I mean, I think, you know, the Tik tok boom, which is such a serious boom, is people are now posting content in a way I don't think we've ever seen before. I, I remember during 2020 I would watch Tik Tok 4 hours during 2020 at that time to get 1 million likes your video to get. 1 million likes or. 1 million views. Your video was like top of the line, creme de la creme. But now if you get a million views, it's like top ten, top 15 videos. Maybe. Maybe even like top 20, top 30. But it's just so many people have now joined in and are producing content. It's it's all. Well, it's like I. Yeah, well you have to be controversial. Maybe a few now I just I'm sorry. It seems like as an artist trying to make it. And. Get views and all that stuff like that, I guess my question is how you holding up this? How, how do you deal with burnout? Have you hit burnout? Is there like since you're doing a one man show on your own, is there someone there to like? How do you feel about managing your workflow and all that stuff? Well, I mean, I'm just not really generally good at workflow for myself. I think as much as I should be, I will prioritize so many things above my own work. And it's so much effort to remind yourself that you have to keep coming back to your own, your own work because you kind of have three things going for me right now that I'm working on simultaneously that I'm hoping can build off of each other. I got my own personal work, Sonny Outlaw, into my personal brand. I have the Sonny and Mike hour, which is me and my to my two person improv team, Sonny Outlaw, Mike Warner and then I also have Sounds Funny Radio, which is a completely improvised comedy podcast that is executive produced by Marc Evan Jackson, and that is about to launch as well. So I've got like these three different things that I'm like got my hands tied into that require a lot of phone and screen time and it is exhausting, man. I never used to be someone that looked at his phone. As much as I look at it now, I'm definitely addicted to the screen. It is exhausting, but it's work, man. Until I can pay someone to do this for me. And so I can like, I mean, the idea of just like getting any sort of money from YouTube videos is really enticing to me right now. So I'm just trying to trudge through because the, you know, just listening to this earlier, the like the law of compounded interest, just keep keep putting in the work over time at all. Yeah, the interest will build up on it. Well, you have to be controversial. Maybe if you talked about how good the Russians and the Chinese are, you'd get more and more interest, too. Yeah, I know, right? Like, if I talked about the. Russian government, at least. Kyrie Irving and XFL. Well, if I talk, I mean, yeah, And even my cousin, my cousin always tells me he's like, you need to review stuff because that's where the money that. And I do I do want to make money. I 100% want to make the money for it. But I also don't know if I don't know how much I have it in me to talk about how good Russia and China are and. I'm saying I'm saying a tongue in cheek. But, you know, I'm just saying. You know, you know you Yeah, we know you believe it bar and we we got it on film you guys this podcast does not support what I mean actually I don't know if this podcast does exactly. You know what make your own opinions. People go on Huffington Post and Fox News and compare the articles and go to CNN. And. BBC and Alex Jones, Infowars. You're messing with. You're making money for other people. And it's really hard to make time to make money for yourself or like make art for yourself, which I find hilarious, you know, because somewhere someone's getting like a third yacht or something and your labor is going to that instead of your right. But it's it's fucked. But I'm curious, having to work another job and having to deal with all the bullshit. Like, do you, like, set a schedule for yourself? You like you're like 6 to 7 a.m.. It's like my, like comedy writing hour. Like, what do you do? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. You know, I wish I was. I wish I was like that. I wish I had an agenda or a planner. A planner legitimately makes me cringe. I really cringe at the idea of planning stuff out. I'm not good at that kind of thing. I don't. I just am like, I'm just in this, like, constant state of maybe I have maybe I can do this, maybe I can't in this anxious state of, Oh, did they get that done? Oh, man, I got to get this done. And so I just kind of I work especially right now because I've got a lot of at home stuff I like will work. And then in between my work, I do things that distract me from my job, which are also work on my passion and other projects. So it's literally like fooling my brain into thinking that I'm distracting myself from my job by doing other work that is more fun to do. I would much rather edit videos to make money off of that. I'm so good at editing videos I've learned. I am like, I love doing it. It's fun so I don't really have to where there's money. Yeah, I know, but I don't know. A lot of money. But I don't have like the college degree or the resume or whatever. Um. That doesn't, I don't think. Yeah, I, that should matter if you're talented, if you really know what you're doing, you know? Yeah, I, you know, it's funny. I've gotten more into social media manager, like I'm coaching someone in social media right now because I've gotten so good at it just by doing it so much that, I mean, I'm hoping, you know, I'm hoping maybe I can take on some more clients on Fiverr or something. I haven't even put that on Fiverr yet, but I'm a graphic designer too. I do. I mean, I be graphic designing, editing. For Oh man, I do so much work and it's funny, I still at the end of the day or the end of the end of the week, I'll feel like, Man, I didn't do shit this week. It's true. It's so funny to hear you talk about this too, because just our similarities and differences, the artists. Because I would think that I don't. We both get a bunch of work done but do what's the right? I don't know. It just feels like I just the way we go about it. So it is just funny to me just to see that we've been friends for so long and then doing art in both a bunch of different ways and producing a bunch of stuff. But I would think we this seems very different the way we go about it. And I like it. I'm here for it. I'm curious because all three of you guys and Sierra — all of you guys are doing creative things, like even with your filmmaking grampa and stuff like that, you're audio recording. Like what are what are your ways of like getting shit done? Because that's always the problem for me. It's like all of a sudden it's 6 p.m. and there's not enough time in the day. And it's like, Well, I didn't fucking get what I needed to get done for myself again, you know. I'm well, my, my situation is that first of all, I'm not that busy. I do it more as a hobby than a business, and I do it for the love of it. I love to record music, but, you know, I have a lot of days when I don't do anything. I just don't have the energy. And then then one day I'll have a lot of energy and I'll get a lot done. But I'm sure that people that are in the profession to make a living out of it, they're working very, very hard and working all kinds of hours. I have asked Frank Sinatra, How do you become successful? And he said, a lot of hard work and you got to live it and eat it and sleep it. And, you know, he was very successful. And I think that's true. And also in his time, very, very good looking. Very, very what good looking? Well, I. Don't think Sinatra had any was wasn't particularly that great looking and he was nice looking. But I don't think that he. Wasn't he like the sex. Symbol of anyone who was. Yeah, but he he wasn't you know, there were better looking guys than him. But yeah, like Paul Newman. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of guys that have a lot of money. And. Sex and wealth in Hollywood. All right, What about the rest? I think it's just a matter of being honest with who you are as a person because my nature is last minute. I am a last minute struggling to get it done by the deadline kind of person. And yes. Could I work on this? Of course I can't. This is one of my biggest. Flaws in my entire life is that. I just. Procrastinate. But it's just how I like to operate. And it's it's it's who I am. And now I just kind of go in with the understanding of I know that I am going to get this thing done. It is in my will. It is in my being that I'm going to get this thing done. But I also know I am not someone that's going to set aside 3 hours on a Wednesday to dedicate toward this. Nope, I'm going to dedicate whenever I get that impulse in my heart. Oh, I got to work on it. Now. It does alleviate some of the anxiety and the pressure of you beating yourself up and being. Like, Oh, you should have been working on this today. So that's not really a healthy way of doing it, but it's a way of that. I deal with it. I know how I work and operate. That's just kind of how I've been and I would highly recommend you don't go my path. You mean I think about. It's so hard. To hear. Please. No, no, we heard it is. Am I still muted? Okay, I was talking earlier, but I was. I thought I was. I thought it wasn't muted. No, it's so hard. I, I do have a planner. I got a planner. Like I've well, I've had a planner since like July. And it's like one of those really cute planners that has, like, it. It's like a help. It's like a self-help planner. So it's got like a three month goal chart for, like, all these different categories, like your personal development, your career goals, your financial goals, like break Everything Down, and then it has like a month by month section and then it has a week by week section. And it's very cute and it's very nice. And then I started to write in it, didn't look at it again. I got it in July. I didn't look at it again until February. So now I'm. Using it every week. And I'm using that and I'm using my notes app on my phone and like every day I'm having to go through and like make check lists of like things. I made a master list of like shit that I needed, that I wanted to do. And then every day I have like a list of tasks that work towards that and I'll rearrange them, like depending on my schedule or like what I'm able to do. And like, part of it is just having to accept like you said, Sunny, that is just sometimes it's just not going to happen. And it's like it's taken me a really long time and yeah, it's taken me a really long time to figure out that it's not that I'm like bad at doing things or that I can't do things or that, you know, it's like a far away thing. It's just that I have like limited, like I have my own personal limits or like a physical limit. Like I've had a lot of health problems that I didn't have when I was younger and like, now I can't do a lot of the same stuff. I can't even do the same. Anything close to the same workload that I use that I used to be able to do. And that was like weighing me as far as like, you know, because like, especially when you are like in like an art field or like a digital kind of field where you aren't always going to have like a physical manifestation of your work, like you aren't going to always be able to look at your work and say, Damn, I did a lot of stuff today. You feel so bad because you just can't. You can't see it, you can't, you can't see it, and you can't always visualize it because you're looking back at like your old capabilities and not your current capabilities. It's stressful. And then, like you said before, about like YouTube and like social media and constantly having to grind and repost and be current. And that's a whole job in itself. You pay people like 30 bucks an hour to do that on their own and then you're expected to do all of your day to day stuff and do that. It's it's stressful. It's so scary, bro. We woke I'm fucking almost 28. I'm like, well, when this started, I was 20, I was a baby, I was 24. And and it's one. It's fucking gone like that. I'm just like an older adult now and like, it'll be the rest of my life. And I feel like the longer we go, the more I'm like, man, like, I lost all of that time. And it doesn't feel like, Oh, well, now I'm like, present and gaining it back. It just feels like this snowball that's like getting worse. It's horrible. Yeah, I feel. It is stressful, man. It's. It's hard. It's. It's legit hard. And, you know, especially like as your coalbed and everybody's trying to repurpose themselves. Everyone wants to be better. I mean, the glitch of 2022, 2023 is so real. I mean, it is that little glitchy. It's like it literally it's like, whoa, what what just happened? I was listening to this movie review this morning and it was about how it was a marvel. It was a it was an Ant-Man review for this new Ant-Man movie that apparently sucks ass. And it was they were talking about how the like the blip in the Marvel movies, you know, I'm talking about grand pop art. No. No. No. Okay. So in Marvel, in this Marvel movie Endgame, basically every we all lost. Basically we all lost. And the villain was able to he was able to erase half the population across the universe. And so then like six years later, everyone comes back, everyone is brought back. That was erased. And they basically were frozen in time for those six years that they were gone. And so like your family has mourned you already like, and moved on, tried to move on with their lives. You know, if you had like a wife or a husband, they've mourned you and moved on. They may have married someone else. They may have kids with someone else. Now, you don't have a job anymore. You don't have a house anymore. Like you're homeless. You don't have anything anymore. Like you're totally starting from zero. And they had compared that to the pandemic and how, like, you just lost you just straight up lost time. And like when I like I graduated college in like 2019 and I was thinking my dumb ass was like, I'll just take a break. And, you know, I worked really, really hard and I broke my back and my hands don't work anymore because I work so hard at school. So I'm a graduate in December and I'm just going to take a sleep break and then I'm going to figure out everything that I got going on because I'm a new graduate and I got my candy has got hung out to dry because like literally two months later, everything shut down. No one was hiring. No one was even offering like all those sweet new grad internships, that sweet window you get when you graduate and everybody wants you to be like an intern. No one was even doing that. Not even the unpaid bitches, you know? Oh, my dogs died. It was a mess, you know? And I say that like, knowing that that is one of the most minimal situations that, you know, living through a pandemic you experience. But there's so many people that have like these bizarre new experiences that we have no tools to really guide people through because we've never done anything like this. Like there's kids like I was reading something else today about like kids in high school or just kids in general that are in school. They are struggling, like with their behavior and different things. And, you know, we usually want to chalk it up to like, you know, kids. You know, the parents are bad. The parents aren't doing, you know, what they should be doing. But, you know, it's probably hard to put into words or put into data, you know, how kids deal with pandemic things, you know, missing those like social cues and missing those like socialization markers and stuff. It's just it's sort of like Mauldin went off on a tangent, but, you know, you know. COVID is like a whole different it's it's switched up everything that we know about moving into our careers and moving into our lives and how we want to do things like especially us as like young adults. Yeah, I feel like I've been more affected by COVID afterwards. And I was during COVID. I mean, I feel so much more. There's really been a big shift in in in society. The society has really changed a lot because of COVID. Yeah, And it's changed in politics, it's changed in finances, it's changed in family norms, in a lot of different areas. Is it is it more significant, like just because we're sort of younger and this is like the biggest event of our lives or have you never experienced change like this before? Grandpa I don't recall ever having a change like this before on at the level and the the the look, the amount of people that have been affected by it. Now, I've had lots of changes in my own life due to my own personal situation. But but nothing that that compares to this and the change of all of society. That's probably not just here in the United States, probably all over the world. You. Yeah, yeah. How do you feel about. Yeah. The art of branding as a creator in creating things and you're always traveling on the road doing your, you know, you're always doing a play, you know. And I know I talked to you on the phone about this, but also interested in hearing your opinion of it. Like how has getting shows and doing shows now that quarantine and call this over, how's that going for you? I know a lot of questions. Take your time. I think that. Exhausted all the time but it's more so like I feel guilty. That's the thing about like the pandemic for me was the place in my life of like, well, I'm like, I just turned 24 and now I'm about to be 28. And sort of I logically know that I shouldn't feel bad about the last few years or whatever, because everybody was shut down and nobody was doing anything. But I'm like clock like, why am I not at work I'm supposed to be at? Why am I not like doing all the like you just have a vision in your mind of what a certain age looks like, you know? So it's it's hard. And something that was really helpful is that you can't truck in. And the last like six months I've really been harping this in my head. You cannot set goals and have them be the determining factor of winning or losing your life. You can set habits that are in your control and say, I did this, I did this, and I did this. And when I set out to do them, nobody fucking had a saying whether or not I did them except for me, it's not, Oh, I'm going to get lucky in this person's going to give me this thing. It's like I want to write for this many hours. I want to get this accomplished. I want to do this storytelling special. I want, you know, and then you can look back and be like, Well, you know, I'm fucking 29 now. But the last two years of my life I've been doing I've been busting my ass doing shit that's like important to me because I did it, you know, so that this I feel like, Which is why I think it's so cool that you did your special because, I mean, I told this to you, I texted you. I was like, Nobody fucking does this. Like. And you say you're very, like, lazy or, you know, you put things very last minute or whatever. Um, but anybody, anybody who's bad at that shit would never be able to produce an hour of content. It's impossible. So, you know, that's just my. Personal right on. I mean, I appreciate it, man. It was one of my goals before the pandemic started was I was going to release my own special at the end of the year. I didn't really I don't know. It's kind of just came together. I'm a big feelings guy. I was really happy how it all came together in a really random way because I was burned out from the job that I'd taken. Like right as COVID was kind of coming out. I did work this job through Delta Omicron, and I got really burned out and I just quit. And I took a month to just go travel and do whatever I felt like doing, which I'm still financially paying off now. But I was just like, Man, if I don't do this now, I'm never going to do it in my entire life. I know I won't. I won't do it again and I will never. I'm honestly yo that month I've just like straight up traveling around was. Amazing and it was so good. And when I came back, I performed my special literally like three days after I had come back. So I was in this like really different state of mind that I don't know how I would ever reach again in that same capacity. And it felt really lucid. It felt really true. Felt It felt like what I was always meant in terms of my first special coming out. It felt really true to who I am. I'm really glad that it came out, man. It's just nice to sometimes feel like you are doing what you set out to do. Like, I think we got to remind ourselves sometimes I told myself I would be a comedian. I moved out to New York City to be a comedian, and I am a comedian in New York City. I am probably not a famous getting paid dollar dollar bills, y'all comedian in New York City yet, but I am doing what I set out to accomplish and I think these goals that have these imaginary markers that we set for ourselves, they are so anxiety ridden and I am trying to rid my anxiety, actively trying to read it. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I think that's I. Try to do I try to make a bunch of stuff. And do a bunch of shit. And it's a trap and I think is to me it's a trap. I think being an artist and trying to be profitable off of it is a trap. I don't like capitalism. You hear me always saying stuff I don't think we should be. I don't think I should be feeling so anxious to produce something that is art when it should be something like, to me personally, organic and genuine. And because you have the right I mean, have the right with the feeling like I would like the idea of doing a podcast or me telling the joke or me drawing a picture to be something I'm doing because I truly enjoy doing that, or to be like a storyteller now because I need to get a billion likes to. Be. The quote unquote valuable hour to be able to do this thing that I want to do. Like I need to have a thousand likes so I can keep doing it. Like I'm not a big fan of that. And I think I've been trapped in that mindset not even so much like want to get likes, but like, I know I need to produce, but I know I need to do a bunch of stuff. And I've also been trying to learn how to take that, take the hobby out of the pedestal and just enjoy it. But it is difficult because of course you want to, you know, you want to stuff. And also what your question you asked earlier about how do you keep doing artist is I build habits and I do it all the time. I'm doing like I'm right now. You know, I see me always doing something and I do it so much because it becomes a habit. It was really fun. I don't even think about doing it. I just be like on the ferry and I start reading and then that's my habit because I do it every time. And then, you know, it just becomes something you don't think about doing. Yo And let me tell you a story about Phines, man. This dude has really worked his way like this. Do was not a draw. Ever used a sock? Like, not anywhere close to what I mean, this. Dude, I remember when we first. Moved in together, this dude had a calendar, and he was just draw in the little boxes of the calendar and I was like. Why are you drawing. Inside these tiny boxes? Would you be drawing on like, actual pieces of paper? But this dude is actually legitimately hot himself out of draw from how to draw books like. Legitimately learn how to draw. From, how to draw books. And has so much skill. Now I'm like, This is crazy how far you've got. Like from seeing those. Little tiny calendar boxes all the way up to what you can actually manifest now is insane. And honestly, I'm always envious because I'm like, I always I go work consistently every day. At of this money that. We live in together because same I'm jealous of you that I'm like this mofo here, this walks into this success and I just be like this, like, you know, just chill and I just feel feeling around you working on your show. And I go, I obligated. And then it comes out and it's like, amazing. And I'm like, I try hard. Every day and I look at my city, draw, Oh, nothing. Impresses me. Yeah, I'm proud of it. To, like. Bring together. No issue. It's not working again. Burns Like, ah, I guess they're not going to include me in this one. No. You know what, though? I'm at my house and shit. And picking Sierra's brain, too, in art history because of, like, not only stuff she was saying about all the issues of like just, oh, this is so hard to put in work, but to be a producer and to be like voice acting in animation, I don't know. I just don't really hear that. I don't hear your side of like. Like what if you were like, what if you're, I don't know, like, yeah, how. Does an animator feel? Like, how does a like that animated, but like a voice actor. They what are their woes is the artist I. Guess is my question. You will spend so long auditioning for things you just have to audition, audition, audition, audition, audition, and then you have to just mentally and emotionally just throw it away. And then maybe like one out of 200 auditions, you will hear something back and they either want you to do a callback or they want to give actually give you the spot. Most voice things that you find, most most voice work you find is not even paid voice work. You. I will I don't know how other people I some I'm I got to be doing it wrong because I swear to God I spend more time editing than I do recording. That pisses me off because I'm sitting here forever and then you just are spending an eternity looking at audio files and you're just constantly second guessing. You're I'm constantly second guessing my setup and my sound treatment. And it's, it's, I mean, it's Brandon can tell you to it's just, you know the the perks of actor how you just you just audition and audition and he's better than me because I am way too lazy to, you know, pull out a ring light and a fucking camera. I'm never I'm probably never going to do that. I'm probably never going to do live acting, even though sometimes it sounds really fun. It's absolutely my heart breaking when my room starts. They're like, Oh, we can't see him. He looks looks better. Like Eric. You know, I was out with a shoot that Brandon was in for HBO and they kept shooting the same scene over and over and over. And then finally at like 1130 at night, the director, I guess the main producer director came in with his son and it went on for another hour. So I was extremely tired. I remember. But boy, they just they were they had all these tractor trailers on the street, and I don't even remember what city was in. But yes. Yeah. I wanted to ask you this a minute ago, because I think we're all like the young hustle artist, Whatever. I'm just curious if you have any advice as someone who, you know, you went to Hollywood to be a singer and you invented the prequel. You've done a lot of crazy, cool things. Like what? What, what can you give us to share with us? I think, yeah, I think you're all doing the right thing. I just don't think that things always happen in my life when you when you want them to happen. I can remember friends or myself saying, Oh, we've paid our dues or this or that. No, it's not. When you think you've paid your dues, it's, you know, you just never know in life when you're going to get a break and you just have to keep trying and hopefully you will get a break, but not necessarily on the time frame that that you're hoping for. I think you're all doing the right thing. You know, you're working at your at your trade or. When you want to do anything. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I would. Make a. Mixtape internship. Okay. I'm excited talking to you about our. It's got to be jazz. We haven't like besides a grandpa and chill as individual artist, we haven't worked together that I think, like on different projects. I would like to get better at being more collaborative. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hm. We in front of together. We do. We work together. Honestly, we were going to fight like Rebel and she'll. Think it's been a minute. We've been working on things like, I live with Sonny. I've only done a couple sketches with him and not and. Stuff, so. Yeah, I mean, this podcast came because of COVID, you know, That's why I hate to dismiss COVID sometimes as like a terrible, terrible thing, because there were some cool things that came out of it in a bad way. But even flowers grow in the mist of ashes sometimes. I think I just made that up. I mean, you know. Look at me saying, look, look at everything half full. But I definitely got a chance to rest. I was stuck in a house, so I got to sit there and see like. Wow, I don't need to work. Wow. I mean, I need to work. But, like, a rest is nice. So I got lemons. And then like. Those. Yeah, go ahead. Well, those late night video games, we were all in. Vine is burning and some of our other friends. Yeah. That was. That was a highlight for me. That was so much fun. Let's go talk to somebody. We don't play. Don't play video games. You're going to waste your life as a as a 27 year old man. Looking back on, playing the games with you guys or when I was like a kid playing like fuck in World of Warcraft, those are still like the best memories of my whole life. They're like, I look back at those nights playing Jackbox and I was like, Damn, bro, this is way better than being at a club or like at a shitty bar or like My God, yeah, it was so fun. I mean, we were up late. I hadn't been up that late in years, like til five, six in the morning. Oh, man. Well, I used to occasionally stay with Brandon and his brother and. And it used to get me crazy because he would be up there all night playing video games all night long, playing World of Warcraft. And I think. I think I think you're in a common company. I think site is not too used to it. So yeah, yeah. I mean, I play a lot more games now. I play Xbox a lot now. Yeah, I did that when I, when I, uh, stayed with you guys and the Halo reach or whatever it. Was, I just hated the game. So now I I'm sorry. Brandon or Sunny, do you have any, like, Brandon, I guess your favorite or one of your favorite games was World of Warcraft. Are there any new games now that that you prefer? You know, today. I don't know any games, Pokémon trading card game, Pokémon. Any type of. And that's about all I know. Any current games to. Play for me I. Got awards Good. I got a war. Dead space, bro. Different game. Truthfully, the older I've gotten. I don't know. Is it is it is it got a war dead space? Is it called it or is it two different games? Got old. No, no. Got a war. Ragnarok Karma. So that's a title. Dead space. Oh, two living games. Okay. Games dramatized due to the fact. That Karmapa was confusing. Yeah. But yeah you know. Or Yes, that. And. Dinner and theater. Yeah, right. Yeah. Uh. The older I've gotten, man, the more I want to. I like playing video games with people. I want to play with other people. I don't want to play by myself. I'm a social person. I'm an extrovert. I want an extrovert myself all over that video game. That's why that's why I hate books. I hate books because I'm like every moment I'm reading this is another moment that I'll be alone for the rest of eternity. Now, this. It's so funny. It's inside my mind. Now I know they had these. No, no. I'm sorry. I know they have these game rooms. Has that built up as a as an idea? The idea of game rooms where a lot of people go in there and play games like arcades? Kind of. Yeah. You know, you had tables with computers and several people in them. And I'm talking about those big like League of Legends things. I'm not familiar with that terminology now, but. Maybe. Like just a bunch of kids with PCs in a room. I don't know if people do that anymore because of COVID so much time arcades. Grandpa like e-sports. I've seen I've seen these rooms where kids go in and play games, but maybe. You talk about like e-sports. Yeah, the game room. You know, the best multiplayer game. I'm until you right now. Oh no. Who know What do I love. I guess we won't fight. I love. Online. You know is is that's a. You said online. Yes you can get UNO on your PC on your X-Box will you do you see you know I just saw Uno on like Google me or something. It was Google meter teams or something, you know, play Uno. That's been like, that's a good. You know, I'm surprised for all the things I can like conservative Republicans are against. I'm surprised it's not like, you know, it's trying to teach your kids Spanish. How do you learn? I only bother Alabama. Card game one the way we're playing. One. Yeah, we're playing one. We're out here. One. I just. Who bought that Uno Flip PAC? Barton It. I just lived in Texas, which is crazy. Dude, bro, it's so embarrassing. Really? Oh, you actually went to Texas? I lived. In y'all. Before the show when I love joked around when I joked around about saying you went to Texas. I made. That up. I didn't even know you. Were Actually, I never told you. I've been in Texas like two months. I just got home Sunday. I love. Phines and I've had to skip our weekly Brandon Meeting. We catch that. We we catch he catches me up on the did. It regular lol. Yeah that's what we call. They made him grow that beard again. There's a whole podcast so that you can do it in the privacy of your own home on your iPod. Oh, that's true. Yeah, I everybody listens from Texas. I love love you guys. Peace and love all you. Please don't hurt me. Please hurt me, bro. No, no, Mo, you have to stop to start singing to a re changing my mom. Are you singing Grandpa? Grandpa. You went to Hollywood to be a professional singer, didn't you? He invented the pretzel. Now, did you say he invented? Did you say floating around? Yeah, he did. I was just floating around. Yeah, I was in in the pretzel business and I was in the sign business. But when I went to Hollywood and, yeah, I guess I was interested in a singing career, but I got a job as a as a. Yeah. What was I, a stage coach or whatever the, whatever the heck it was. And they why they hired me for it, I have no idea because I didn't know what I was doing. They had a very intelligent guy that was a Berklee graduate who but stage manager. That's what it was. It turned out that what I was really doing is I was right and I was in charge of making sure that the equipment was was safe and delivered on time. That's is what I really what I did. Yeah. Why they hired me. I don't know. If you, if you had a pretzel. Grandpa invented that. You invented the pretzel coat. Pardon. Well. I can't hear you. I'm not a huge figure. The inventor of the pretzel cone and the pretzel wheel. You're the inventor of the pretzel cone and the wheel. And the pretzel wheel. So I tell people I invented the wheel, but. The pretzel wheel. Little ring with. Spokes. Oh, my God. What is the difference between a pretzel? What is a pretzel? What does it mean? Well, it's it's kind of like a pizza dough, but but it goes through a that it's rolled out into, you know, a rope or string, and then it's tied into a pretzel shape or whatever shape you want to. And then it's actually cooked it up in a solution that causes the surface of it to caramelize, to become a sugar. And then as it dries, it gets tricky and you can salt it and run it through an oven. And that that's basically the difference between a soft pretzel, a hard pretzel. The hard pretzel goes through an additional stage of drawing of being dried. Okay. That's basically the rest. And the wheel that I that I designed is now handled by a company sold by a company called Utz of Hanover. And coincidentally, the pretzel cones, coincidentally, is now sold, manufactured and sold by a company called Snyder of Hanover, both in the same city, but different company. You make children. Pardon? Now you have a patent for this? I'm looking at it. Filed 19. 69. I had applied to expired lifetime. How's it expired in explain yourself U.S. No. No patents expire in 17 years. Despicable. Yeah that's it depends on you know now now other types of patents like design patents are only good for three and a half years. And then they're renewable for another three and a half so that you can get seven on the design patent. But but a process, machinery, things like that, those patents are 17 year patents. Looking at it. You have. To put this in show notes. I'm gonna put it in the show. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Wait, Grandpa, didn't you say someone stole your patent? It's very cool. Thing like that. Down. No, no, nobody stole them. I actually. I built a plant back in the mid-sixties, and it was quite an all automated plant. And unfortunately, I had a problem, which is very difficult to, to, to remedy the product. I won the National Folding Court and won best design court in the country. And I was in all the supermarkets and the cones would crack in the box. And when people got them home, they'd they'd have broken pieces for most of the many of the cones. So the company actually bankrupt. And and the one of my partners who was a well-to-do guy that built a real estate that I was in, built the industrial buildings. He bought the patent. He bought the patent but didn't really do him any good. But he he bought it. Yeah. So. So the patents can be assigned, you can be the inventor, but it doesn't mean that you that you own the patent. It's whoever it's assigned to. So. Wow. Everybody looks like they have gloom on their face when I tell this. Is. Deep in thought, looking at all these machinery pieces and the like. Are you looking at what. I looked at? I googled Pretzel Wheel, Barton Frank and the first result was your patent and. Then I downloaded. The form a pretzel cone. A pretzel cone? It would be, I don't have a patent on the wheel. I have it on the property. I'm looking at the cone contraption, but it's a contraption. That's what you're looking at. You're looking at. That. Okay? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And patent law, it's a very specialized type of, uh, of diagrams and. And what it. Is. It's not the normal. It's not even what you normally would have from a drafts of doing a, you know, doing a cad drawing. It's a special, very specialized type artwork that work. So Yeah, but your, your grandmother Branum was involved with me with it and her father and many other people. Regulations on your patent. Congratulations for what I lost. What today would be maybe $5 million. In the new, uh. Well, what is. What did you. That's what you said. It doesn't always come when you want it to come, but you just got it. Yeah, It's going. Yeah, My. I was good at raising money, I'll put it that way. And also very good at losing it at that time. I. Hey, you know what? I'm really good at losing money, too, so. But. But since then, I've done okay in business. But I always considered it like the Liberty Bell and had a crack in that thing, you know so well, it's 830 now and I'm as we're I'm watching the show, I'm I'm kind of vaguely remembering it, Sunny, but it's good to see that I can actually see it moving in the video now. Well, you know what? I do this to me anyway. Sunny, do you mind if I share screen and play your stand? I hope I hope to see one of your one of your clips or, you know. Shares or YouTube works if we're allowed to. But like, yeah, that'd be awesome. And that and that people know your. All your blood and stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Before I roll the clip, just just give a brief synopsis of what the, the arc is and like what, what the main inspiration was. Sunny I am a first generation sick Indian American and I my parents did not understand the world that I was growing up in in America and I didn't understand the world my parents came from in India. And so there was a lot of miscommunication and a lot of identity crisis for myself and my two Indian and my two American and my not enough of either and just figuring out who I really am. Yeah, it's really nice being on here. It has been like a year and a half since. I've done studies at home asking about the show. And I'm really. Kind of like, Yeah, So if the show. All right, here we go. Don't forget your phone. You ever are. And this is your own study I've been meaning to write. You a letter, but it just I just figured that it would be a little bit easier to make amends, to send you to be a little more entertained. I know I would be if I was you watching this. Each of us. I am to respond to that. But I know it's something you will hold for a time. You watch this. You will become a successful comedian or actor. Or how do these meteorologists use day? You get in the kitchen. Whenever I am reading, watching this one in which just please keep your craziness. One day we're going to make it. You put your foot in the back of. Your feet what looks like you are a beach without sand, but that it's just water and rocks that nobody wants to go to. And that is what you are like. That's really messed up, that I'm responsible. I'm trying to do the thing. You are responsible. You can't even order a Starbucks drink correctly. You go out, you forget to tell them soy milk. They make your drink. You say that and you tell them that they made the mistake. And the two most certainly said soy milk, even though all they want to make gods. No, you hated everybody does that. Not the only just being good. The boy, the quiet. Go inside and just start studying. Studying. And then your legs fall off. Apply for a good Bethany college or a good lawyer in school. Do not appease your time with this nonsense. How are you going to make money? By telling and knocking off the joke. In today's world, it is more like a text job to of the real money. Yeah, I got to try. Like I want to do something with. My purpose in life is not to go out and try to expand make you find who you are. You are supposed to go in a system that we have the best for you that was developed by my ancestor and you don't question it. Don't you know your purpose? Why don't you dare go up and start reciting poetry? Why in me, in my voice, in your head Don't you dare you. Oh, yeah, that's on me. That's not a good enough. Yeah. Because then it goes into like a whole poetry element. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, right on. Thank you. I cannot wait to that. Well, it's so cool seeing from your TV. You're like your YouTube camera. I'm like, Wow, this actually looks so legit. Yes, the. Why don't you get that jacket? Yo, I got it in a vintage store in California for 40 bucks. It is one of my favorite finds. I could not wait to rock it. That is a smart jacket. You're right. It's tying it all together. Like you bring the jacket out and they're like, Okay, yeah, he's not playing this time. This is the real deal. Wonderful. I'm so excited. I'm so happy for you, bro. Yo, right on, zero. That is so cool. It is always so exciting to see your friends and your colleagues, like, really doing it. I've got. I've got friends. I went to college with that. One of them is news. She's like a reporter or a or an anchor in like a really big metro city. I've got another one. I've got another friend who always said that she she's from she's not even from the U.S. and she's always said that she wanted to come and study journalism. And literally now she's at NPR. It's always so exciting to see you're young. That's cool. Bitch is doing exactly what they said they would do is always so exciting to see. Manifest, manifest, manifest. So exciting, bro. This is so exciting. I'm so excited. I cannot wait. I literally cannot wait to watch it. My final thought is just that it's cool as shit that 11 years ago you were like, Just keep following your dreams and then here you are. You're right on. That's my final thought. Yes, here we are. That would bring us saying like you had a dream, you had a vision and you had a hope and you have faith in yourself and you kept doing it. And it's not only great for you, but it's good you're affecting the people as someone that's in your life and definitely been affected by your here enjoyment and love for passion, life and your purpose for it. So we really appreciate it. Thank you. Sammy, this is Grandpa. I just want to say I think you're on the right track. I enjoyed watching the clip. You're right on, guys. My final thought is that this was great and fun, and I'm really happy that I got to be here. Folks, you're going to watch Sonny Outlaw dream come true. Check it out on YouTube. Follow Sonny on Instagram like tweet share, share the shorts I saw you have short shorts are like my favorite way to like, see and share comedians. It's so easy and it's so fast, so keep posting your shorts will keep sharing your shorts. 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